Talking Points # 10 Johnson

In this article, Johnson argues that it is imperative for people to acknowledge the existence of social problems like racism and sexism, but in particular privilege and oppressive social systems. He believes that this is the first and most important step in the process. Additionally, he believes that it is also important for people to recognize the importance of small contributions to the solutions of these problems.

• "Privilege is a feature of social systems, not individuals. People have or don't have privilege depending on the system they're in and the social categories other people put them in."

I like this quote because I think it is one of the most significant themes of all of the readings we have done. The idea that the most harmful and lasting forms of discrimination are systematic rather than individual is important. Systematic racism affects children in our educational systems immensely, as I pointed out in my last blog. Johnson recognizes that in order to confront and eventually eliminate different types of discrimination, you need to identify it first.

• "No social system lasts forever, but this is especially true of oppressive systems of privilege"

When I read this statement I started to think about the comments that Allyson made on this article. I sort of understand where she is coming from in her critical analysis of certain aspects of the article. Johnson is making an optimistic point about oppressive systems having the tendency to change eventually. I agree with this comment, and I applaud his enthusiasm and optimism on the matter. But, when I think of oppressive systems of privilege I think about old money, I think about rich old white men and they way that the most powerful of such control our country. I think about the people who used to live in the mansions of Newport (where I live), and their slaves and eventually servants. I think about the amount of money that they had, and have and how that money gives them endless power in society. There has been a powerful class of wealthy white people that indirectly rule this country since the Industrial Revolution made it possible for them to. Today, many of the same families are still spending and abusing that old money to continue to indirectly rule this country. So in terms of that oppressive system, and actually most that I can think of, change hasnt been fast, or even existent.

• "The more you pay attention to privilege and oppression, the more you'll see opportunities to do something about them"

I agree with the statement that being more aware makes you more aware of ways of to help. The idea of 'what to do' is something I have given a tremendous amount of thought to. I think that this is an area that we can expand on immensely. How many people in this class would do something productive and helpful, would volunteer their time and effort, if they had an opportunity in front of them? I think most people would be willing and eager to help, they just dont know what to do. I had a teacher that constantly criticized his students for not 'acting', and for 'waiting for the world to change'. He was active, in his youth, in rallies, demonstrations, etc. Personally, I look for things to do and have participated, on some levels, in things I care about. I am a member of a couple of organizations, MOVEON.ORG, is basically a progressive Democratic leaning organization that was set up during the Bush administration to inform people on things that were going on and to help them move forward. I am also a member of the Sierra Club, which focuses on enviornmental issues, and WalmartWatch, which is a sort of interesting one that focuses on the harmful effects that Walmart has on society. I am also an active member of NORML (National Organization for the Reformation of Marijuana Laws), where I donate money and occasionally write standard letters that people use and mail out to various officials. I include these things in my blog because I am sure there are many people who are wondering what they can do, and while they may not agree with the causes that I support, I encourage them to become a member of any organization. It is very easy to do, and easy to learn about.

Talking Points # 8 Kliewer

In this article, Kliewer argues that down syndrome students should be treated as participating and active members of the school and community, rather than being treated as a burden. It is his hope to re conceptualize their roles and to develop better and more effective levels of communication.

• "Those who appear not to make use of these conditions (supposedly open to all), or who appear to lack the potential to accrue privileges, are systematically devalued as less than full citizens"

Kliewer is following up his piece about utilitarianism, which is a sort of belief system based on the idea that everyone's actions contribute to the overall benefit of a utility, or a society. He believes that this should protect each individual from external threat. He is saying that if this system was in place, or enforced, it would be unjust, or unfair to basically make down syndrome people second class citizens. By avoiding inclusion in classrooms, we are doing just that. We are degrading these students and creating a situation for them that is ultimately harmful. Kliewer uses democracy and community to describe his ideas on the way that disabled students are treated within schools.

• "Dewey believed schools must serve as the sites in which children develop both a sense of commitment to one another and a sense of self direction"

Kliewer is using Dewey's ideas to advocate for disabled students being included in regular classrooms. He is expressing the importance for children to learn and practice the skill of working with others and being committed to other students. This is important for peopel to be able to develop and be a part of society. Kliewer thinks that it is important for all children to seek 'community value' in each other. If disabled students are segregated, they are going to learn and practice a system of alienation.

• "School citizenship requires that students not be categorized and separated based on presumed defect. The phenomenon of categorization at the expense of individual value has been described as a 'disability spread'..."

He believes that doing this takes away from the individual and generalizes and stereotypes all peoples that are disabled. This has an effect on the disabled student, the teacher(s), and fellow students, who, without ever experiencing disabled students on an individual level, will naturally generalize them with the learned 'disability spread'. This follows up on his earlier ideas about making disabled students equal and participating citizens of the school community. This helps to acclimate the disabled student, which will eventually makes his entire learning experience better, but also to help fellow students to acknowledge and understand disabled students. Without learning about and getting to know disabled students as individuals, children will continue to believe stereotypes that are usally harmful.

I enjoyed this article, it was informative and included interesting characters. Kliewer has a nice balance between analysis and research, and story-telling. He presents realistic characters that are very likeable. He also includes some analysis of John Dewey, who has been imlemental to educational reform in the past. Dewey had some really awesome and groundbreaking ideas that should be considered when looking at problems of modern education like inclusion and tracking.

Talking Points #7 Lawrence

In this article, Lawrence evaluates the effectiveness of the landmark education case, Brown Vs. Board of Education. He asserts that the ideology of the court case, and what it was supposed to represent were positive, but that they were never truly acknowledged and acted out in the way that they were supposed to. He argues that the court never acknowledged the true segregation that existed, which made it impossible to actually remedy it. He stresses the difference between the way that the court defined segregation, as a method of separation, and what he believed to be the reality of segregation, as a institutionalized method of stigmatizing and subordinating people of color.

• "Segregation's only purpose is to stigmatize and subordinate"

This is one of Lawrence's main ideas in this article. He wants the reader to acknowledge the difference between simply separating people and systematically subordinating them. The latter is far more harmful. He argues that the only purpose of segregation was to create a permanent lower class of people, of one race. This class system labels black people as inferior simply because they are black. He argues, and I agree, that this is in complete violation of the fourteenth amendment to the constitution, which re-defined the definition of American citizens. Lawrence makes a good point when he discusses how white people didnt have a problem spending time with black people, so long as the blacks were their slaves. When slavery ended, white people decided they didnt want to spend time with blacks, as blacks were, in theory, equal to them.

• "black children are injured by the existence of a system of segregation, not merely by particular acts that result in teh segregation of schools"

This section of the article is very interesting. Basically, the courts decided that in order to acknowlesge and act to de-segregate a school, evidence must be presented to prove that the state authorities acted particularly to segregate. This means that unless it was proven that the state intentionally discriminated against blacks with a particular segregation, no action could be taken. What the courts did, in essence, is develop a loophole in the law that benefitted them. This is important because it is a method of discrimination that white lawmakers, and politicians have been using since the existence of America. They use their knowledge of the law to their benefit, and to discriminate against others. This still happens today, very often. This is an example of the powerful systematic apartheid that white people are expert at using. If you consider the college process of today, you will find signs of this system still in place. What is the path of an elementary school student in Greenwich, CT? He or she probably attends a prep school, followed by a private high school, followed by an Ive league, or other elite college. This student graduates their elite college and is almost gauranteed a high paying job and is thus streamlined into the upper class of America. This student will probably marry someone who took the same path as they did; they will produce children that will take the same path that they did, and continue their lineage. Rich and fortunate people are very good at staying that way. Now, rewind to the elementary student, he or she may not even be a bright student, he/she could be considered a slow student, or non-gifted, only for them it doesnt matter. They were born in success. Now, consider an elementary student in the inner-city of Chicago, or New York, or Boston, or Providence, or any city in the country. He/she (we will refer to this student as 'he' to make this easier) is incredibly bright, an advanced student, gifted at every level. He goes to an understaffed, underfunded public school, followed by a similar high school. During high school he works full time, because he has to. He gets good grades through out high school and participates in organized sports and school clubs. He gets the same score on the SATs as Ms.Greenwich Ct, only his college path is much different. He cant afford to go to college and is denied financial aid. He takes classes at a community college until he cant afford it anymore. He continues his job and it turns into a career. He works hard for the rest of his life without ever making a good salary. He never owns a home because he is denied a mortgage. He is in permanent credit card debt becasue his rates are shockingly high. He marries and has children that go to the same schoool he went to, and thus, continue his lineage. His path is much different becasue of his socio-economic status. He was and is more gifted than the student who now makes six figures and pays him to paint his/her house. It can be argued that if the second student attended elite schools, with elite facilities and elite teachers, his life path may have been different. Segregation is harmful because it creates second class citizens, and second class citizens are forced to live second class lives.

I liked this article quite a bit. It was well written and well organized. Lawrence distinguishes between the courts interpretation of segregation, and the realities of segregation. It is important to remember that although there has been alot of positive changes made to these systems, many of them still exist today. Hopefully my little rant in the last paragraph makes some sense and shows an example of racial apartheid and how it applies to education.

Miscellaneous Post- OBAMA VIDEO

Hey guys,
This is a you tube video showcasing other regions of the world that celebrated Obama's victory. It's a cool video; cool song too. The impact of him winning the election should be very positive for our country and the foreign relations disaster that George W. Bush and his cronies created. The leader of our country is one of the leaders of the World, and George Bush was one of the worst leaders in world history. Hopefully Obama will turn out to be one of the best.

Talking Points #6 Oakes

In this article, Oakes against ability grouping, or tracking in classrooms. She believes that this method is only effective in helping advanced students, but leaves behind the rest of students.

• "the nature of these differences suggests that students who are placed in high-ability groups have access to far richer schooling experiences than other students?

This quote basically sums up her belief in advanced students receiving a greater benefit from tracking than other students. This is essentially the main argument against tracking in the classroom. In a classroom that isnt grouped according to ability, it is believed that students will work together, outside of their ability groups and help each other. It is the hope of a teacher that advanced students will lend a hand to other students. That being said, it is also argued that this system isnt fair to advanced students, whose abilities may 'level out', as a result of not being challenged enough.

• "In low-ability classes, for example, teachers seem to be less encouraging and more punitive, placing more emphasis on discipline and behavior and less on academic learning"

This is one of the main arguments against tracking, but also one that I struggle with. My understanding of this statement is that low-ability students have a tendency to require more attention in terms of discipline and behavior. This extra attention is needed as a result of their behavior and conduct. Or, is this extra attention needed as a result of the enviornment that these students are in? In other words, by putting all of the low-ability children together in one classroom, you are encouraging bad behavior, and providing a classroom enviornment that is condusive to bad behavior. I believe that this is at the heart of this debate. Those who argue for tracking, on the behalf of advanced students, are frustrated with advanced children sitting through a class that is dedicated to behavior and discipline, and rightfully so.

This article was short and easy to read with very basic concepts. Tracking is an issue that I have though alot about and cant seem to settle on an opinion. I was an advanced student in elementary adn middle school and was never challenged. I feel as though I recived only a small part of what I could have from my education. I am a firm believed in parent's role in this entire equation. Many children are poorly behaved as a result of poor parenting, which effects the entire classroom. I look forward to discussing this issue in class.

Talking Points # 5 Kahne and Westheimer

Kahne and Westheimer argue that it is important for students to use service learning as a method for understanding the critical and systematic analysis of social problems, rather than use service learning as a method for often self-gratifying community service. They feel as though this will give them a more thorough understanding of the problems and will put them in a better situation to resolve them, on a long-term basis.

• "much of the current discussion regarding service learning emphasizes charity, not change"
  

• "Mr Johnson's curriculum included only minimal attention to any systematic analysis of the ills his students were helping to alleviate"

An important difference between the two methods of service learnign included in the article is the difference between civic-duty and systematic analysis. Mr. Johnson is criticized here for not ensuring that his students understood the systematic problem that was causing the people to be in a place where they required civic duty from others. These systematic problems are huge in our country, and being 'systematic' ensures that they will continue until the 'systems' are changed or eliminated. People in need require help, but how they became to be in a place requiring need is often never explored or given consideration, when in reality, in the grand scheme of things, it is more important than their immediate need for charity.

• "The class discussed the growing economic disparity between rich and poor, the impact of homelessness on children, and the difficult balance between individual rights and collective responsibility"

In contrast, Ms. Adams class looked further into the problem. It is important for students to realize why things are the way they are. It is worth considering that many of the students have spawned from rich, middle to upper class, white, republican parents who are probably not only aware of the economic disparity that exists, but proud of the fact that they "work hard for their money and shouldnt have to give to to welfare families that probably blow it on drugs anyway". There is a major schism in our country on the issue of re-distribution of wealth. Many people dont understand that many people on the bottom of the socio-economic scale are there as a result of the economic and social systems that are in place and that have systematically neglected them their whole life.

This article was very informative and quite progressive. I enjoyed it alot. I thought it was very well written. It was clear and precise, and provided evidence and solid convincing arguments for all of its points. I think it was the most important article we, as pre-service teachers, have read so far. It is definitely my favorite.

Talking Points #4 Christensen

Christensen argues that media provided to children, specifically cartoons, literature, and television, perpetuate existing stereotypes and biases, in regard to race, sex and class. She instructs children and adults on how to identify, analyze and most importantly take action against this system.

• "The messages, or 'secret education', linked with the security of their homes, underscore the power these texts deliver. As Tatum's research suggests, the stereotypes and worldview embedded in teh stories become accepted knowledge"

Her idea of secret education is critical to her theory. She believes that children are being educated by the media sources that are revealed to them. If these media sources contain elements of bias, racism, and stereotypes, children will become privy to them. With this in mind, it is important for parents and adults to be aware of exactly what children are learning from the media. The consequences of perpetuating the harmful effects of the media have proven to be dangerous.

• "They accept the inequalities in power and exploitative economic relationships. Their acceptance teaches me how deep the roots of these myths are planted"

She is commenting on the deep-rooted myths that these children have accepted, in terms of who has power in our culture. She us upset with not only the fact that children are exposed to these myths, but that they have accepted them as reality. This is why it is important to be aware of these things early, so that children dont accept them as reality. It is important to realize that children's concept of reality is something that is constructed in their youth, and something that stays with them for their entire life.

• "Instead of leaving students full of bile, standing around with their hands on their hips, shaking their head about how bad the world is, I provided them the oppurtunity to make a difference"

This comment proves her passion for the children to take action. It is very common for people to identify things in the world that are wrong and unjust, but to actually take action is extremely important. It is important to teach children how to take action and what to take action against. I think that this aspect of her writing is the most important.

I enjoyed reading this article. It is well written and gets to the point. It guides you through her experience with her students. The article being written by a teacher gives it more validity. The article is inspiring when it shows the actual success that Christensen, and the students had. My only criticism of this article would be, as is the case, I have found, with many of these articles, is that it seems a bit outdated. Many of the examples that she used (duck tales, ninja turtles, etc.) are sources of media that children arent exposed to anymore. This doesnt negate, or take anythign away from her argument by any means. I simply would prefer more recent and applicable sources, as they would be more effective for us, as pre-service teachers. That being said, her theory is solid and informative, and she proves it substantially.

Miscellaneous Post

I would like to take a minute to remind people of the MLED (Middle School Endorsement) program here at RIC. I have found that it isn't talked about that much. Basically, if you are an elementary or secondary ED. major, you can add this endorsement, which allows you to teach middle school in addition to elem. or sec. It requires that you take 4 classes. When it comes to student teaching, you simply split your 14 weeks between your two majors.
This is a good program for a few reasons. First, many of you, like myself, probably are spending more time at RIC than you expected to, or would like to, so you mine as well add on more qualifications for yourself. Second, it isn't easy to get a job in RI as a teacher, this will make you more 'marketable', thus increasing your chances of getting a job. Third, the program is spearheaded by Dr. John Niska, who is essentially a middle school education guru. He is an implemental part of the National Association of Middle Level Ed. (not sure about the exact name of the association). He speaks at conferences all over the country. He teaches many of the classes in the program at RIC as well.
You don't need to be accepted in the FSED to take these classes either.
I would like to personally recommend any students to enter this program. I have taken MLED 310 and 320, both with Dr. Niska, and enjoyed both of them. Please ask me any questions you may have about this in class or whenever.

Talking Points #3 Carlson

Carlson argues that within the school system there is a schism between 'normal students', and GLBT students. He argues that it is the responsibility of the school and it's faculty to play a role in eliminating this schism and supporting the GLBT students.

• "These abuses get tolerated because gay teachers and students operate in an environment where they feel afraid to stand up for themselves, and because any discussion of gay people continues to be absent in the curriculum so that homophobia is not interrogated"

Gay teachers and students are a minority, they are outnumbered by a lot. This makes it hard to stand up for themselves. Hopefully in the future, as more and more people come out, this will begin to change. Also, it is the responsibility of non-gay students and teachers to stand up for those that are being discriminated against.

• "For the most part the institutions that make up the gay community are not open to adolescents, so that most gay youth continue to stay unattached and even unaware of the potential community of support"

Although there is a lot of progress being made in terms of support for adults, there needs to be more support for children and teenagers. This is where the school system can help. Teachers and faculty need to make it clear to students that they have a system of support. This is important for pre-service teachers to consider.

• "...a democratic multicultural education must become a dialogue in which all "voices" are heard and all "truths" are understood as partial and positioned"

This comment expresses Carlson's belief that we need to get rid of the idea of having one, shared belief. He thinks that we need to acknowledge the fact that everyone has a different view and different opinions. Rather than ignore that, we need to embrace it. This being done, we need to focus on "building relationships based on caring and equity". Personally, I strongly agree with this statement.


I enjoyed reading this article, although it was a little slow in the middle. My only criticism would be that some of his sources, quotes, research, etc. seemed to be a little old and outdated. Much of them are from the early 90's, or later. I think that there has been a significant amount of positive change and progress made on this issue since then. That being said, I completely agree with his ideas and hopes for the future. There is still alot of progress to be made.
Carlson's 'normal community' is very similar, if not the same as Delpit's 'culture of power'. Regardless of what type of discrimination or oppression or mistreatment you are learnign about, you will always find this common denominator, wether you refer to it as a culture of power or normal community, it is always there. It has been there since white people arrived in North America and began their long history of oppression, that continues still. There has been alot of progress, considering slavery, women's rights, etc. On a positive note, I believe that we are lucky to live in a demographic region where we advocate more progress. There are still areas of this country (south, mid-west), where the morals and values of people seem to be stuck in the past. For a multitude of reasons (religion, ignorance), many of these people are unwilling to adopt many of the new ideas and beliefs that we have.

Talking Points #2 - Rodriguez

Richard Rodriguez, in "Aria", argues that although it is important for children to appreciate their native language and continue to use it, in order for them to gain the type of identity that is necessary for them to enter the 'culture of power' in America, they need to also learn to speak English.

• "the families quiet was partly due to the fact that, as we children learned more and more English, we shared fewer and fewer words with our parents."

This quote is important because it highlights the conflict that children develop between school and home. It is frustrating for children to feel like they are progressing and learning a new language, then have to go home and be forced to give it up to communicate with their parents. This is a struggle that is extremely common right now because there still exists an entire generation of Hispanic men and women that don't speak fluent English, but raise children that do. It is hard to expect parents to learn English when they have survived in America without it for many years.

• That day, I moved very far from the disadvantaged child I had been only days earlier. The belief, the calming assurance that I belonged in public, had at last taken hold."

This quote has some positive tones. Basically he feels like he finally fits in. It is interesting to consider that a language barrier can create such a feeling in a child. Not speaking English made him feel like he shouldn't even be in public. It makes me think of Americans, when they are surrounded by Spanish speaking people. They can be so pompous as to still, even as the minority, feel like they are right, and the spanish speakers are wrong. I have seen situations like this many times, where the American refuses to try to speak Spanish, but rather raises his/her voice in an attempt to get them to understand his/her language. I am disgusted by people who yell English words at Spanish speaking people. You never find a Spanish speaking person raise his/her voice to an American out of frustration.

• "So they do not realize that while one suffers a diminished sense of private individuality by becoming assimilated into public society, such assimilation makes possible the achievement of public individuality"

This is a very important quote because it discusses the importance of assimilation. Basically he is saying that being an individual as part of public society is more important and beneficial than just being an individual who is not part of public society. Although acclimating is a hard thing to do, it is essential.

I enjoyed this article and found it easy to read. It is important for RIC students to understand the language issue with young students and education because of the huge population of Hispanic children in Providence.

Talking Points #1

In, Amazing Grace: The Lives of Children and the Conscience of a Nation, Jonathan Kozol portrays the desperate lives of people in the South Bronx, New York. Kozol is known for inserting himself into poor and desperate areas of the country and reflecting on his experience. His liberal position argues that the people living in these communities are neglected of the same rights and opportunities as the rest of the country.

"The place that Cliffie is referring to turns out to be a waste incinerator that was put in operation recently over the objections of the parents in the neighborhood"

• Using poor neighborhoods as 'dumping grounds' is a common accusation made by activists. Some people consider an area like this to be a dumpster, often times literally a place to put trash and other unwanted things.
  
• This is also proof of one of Kozol's accusations, that these people are suffering from medical problems as a result of living conditions that are out of their control. He stresses that for many of these people the position they are in wasn't a choice, rather a result of being a victim to harmful systems that are in place.
  

"Unlike many children I have met in recent years, he has an absolutel literal religious faith."

• This is a bright spot in the reading. It is nice to hear that families living in these conditions have faith in something positive and healthy.
• Religion has been something that people in desperate conditions have turned to for centuries. Living in an area of the world where religious influence is small, I find this particularly interesting.

"A person who works in a real job at a place like Chemical Bank, she tells me, is a rare exception in the neighborhood"

• Another main concern for Kozol is people finding it impossible to find legitimate employment. Being unable to support themselves leads to people turning to crime and drug use.
  
• When people get caught in a system that gives them no opportunities, they usually get stuck there for life. This cycle continues to their children, and their families.
  

This reading was interesting, and very similar to his book Savage Inequalities. I tend to agree with Kozol's concerns and opinions regarding low income neighborhoods. I understand that his opinions are fairly liberal, but I think that in the areas of health care, housing and education, a liberal approach will be much more effective. In these areas, liberals tend to be more empathetic and compassionate. If people continue to blame the victims for being victims, their situation will never improve. Hopefully, a democratic president will be elected, and can begin a process of resolving some of these problems. It is a common belief that republican's 'cut-throat' tactics towards the lower class are the reason neighborhoods like the one Kozol visited, exist in the first place. Furthermore, electing another republican president will only ensure that the health care, housing and educational disasters that many people live in, will continue and become more severe. Pre-service teachers should consider the consequences this election will have on the educational system before they vote.

Is this reading an excerpt from an article, or a chapter from a book?

Introduction

Hello class,
I am 24 years old. I live in Newport, RI. I am a bartender at 22 Bowens Wine Bar and Grill. This is my 3rd semester since returning to school. My major is secondary ed./english. I look forward to teaching, but I plan on taking the LSAT exams next year and applying to a few law schools. I look forward to this semester of classes and getting to know everyone.
Brian